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06-23-2016 09:23 PM
jayhawk500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost in the 60's View Post
Go back to my first post, if she had sold it to me, none of this would have happened to you. I always get "stuff" like this happening here and it would have fit right in...

Send it home for the summer, she probably won't need much heat for a while.

That's the plan!
06-23-2016 07:35 PM
Lost in the 60's Go back to my first post, if she had sold it to me, none of this would have happened to you. I always get "stuff" like this happening here and it would have fit right in...

Send it home for the summer, she probably won't need much heat for a while.
06-23-2016 04:20 PM
jayhawk500
The S-I-L's 66 Caprice Engine Rebuild Update #9

I sent back the Energy Suspension mounts 'cause they were tall and narrow. Why this car has wide engine stands is any bodies guess. I kept the mounts that were on the car and added on 2 each 3/8" washers to each engine mount bolt on the drivers side. This was enough to raise the engine to clear the steering gear box. After a quick test drive, the heater core decided to let itself go, go figure, It's the OE core. So I blocked off the fittings on the water pump and removed the heater hoses until later this fall when the core can be changed out. I'm beginning to believe this car hates me or it wants to stay at my house. It must be possessed.


I've had a good time doing this project and I hope someone was able to get some useful ideas from the way I've done this project. Good Luck to all of you with your projects. I'll be in and out so if you have questions...Please ask.


Until next time....


I'll keeping checking in periodically


Chris
06-21-2016 09:32 AM
Lost in the 60's https://www.summitracing.com/parts/p...4-bl/overview/

This is the early style "short and wide" motor mount that measures 2 5/8 in. between the ears and 1 3/4 in. tall to the center of the through bolt hole.



These APPEAR to be the correct "short/wide' mounts in rubber, but I would call to confirm the width.

This excerpt is from their 1969 mount listing. It does NOT appear with the listing below. "The 1969 engine mount or motor mount measures 2-3/8 ID or inside the mount between the thru holes. The 1967-1968 engine mounts measure 2 5/8 ID between the thru holes."

Camaro Engine mount kit all SB & BB 1967-1968 - 1967, 1968, 1969 Camaro Parts - NOS, Rare, Reproduction Camaro Parts for your Restoration

06-21-2016 12:46 AM
jayhawk500 Well, the Energy Suspension engine mounts for a 66 Caprice with a 396 arrived today. After messing around with the engine hoist that decided to fail, I attempted to change out the mounts doing it the old fashioned way, I jacked up the motor. I got the easy one out first (passenger side). Then, I went to put the "new" mount in, and it DIDN'T FIT! This is the second set of mounts that didn't fit. I just don't understand???? It's the same OE engine stands bolted to the same OE frame and the same OE motor, so everything should fit, right? WRONG!


I measured the engine stands and they were 2 5/8" wide. The new mounts are just barely 2 7/16" but 2 3/8" would be more like it. The first set I got for the 427 engine also measured 2 3/8" and are canted a little (Made in the USA), so they'll never fit anything. So my plan now is to use the mounts that are in the car now and shim up between the mount and the block to get the height I need. I'll let you know how it turns out.


I'm beginning to hate this car......


Until next time......
06-12-2016 09:40 PM
Lost in the 60's It's good to hear it all went well and she is happy with it.
Now, if only the mounts hadn't let you down...
06-12-2016 06:19 PM
jayhawk500
The S-I-L's 66 Caprice Engine Rebuild Update #8

Yesterday, was a memorable day for my S-I-L, Vicki. She was able to drive the Caprice about 200 miles round trip to our nephews graduation party and back.
The car ran flawlessly the whole trip, never missed a beat. We did some city driving and some highway driving, so breaking in the cam was done the correct way. I told her NO spirited driving for the first 500 miles. She learned not to punch the accelerator when the car was hot which almost flooded the engine when she was starting the car. All in all, she's very happy and said the car has never run as good as it does now.


Completed





I'll once again be replacing the motor mounts to Energy Suspension tall mounts. The header is sitting on the steering gear box. The engine must have settled when we were driving.





And as promised here's the Cam Card. I wish I would have known about this cam when I was building my small block for the Nova. I would have Comp Cams grind one of these Nostalgia Cams for my small block. This cam sound awesome with the 36" glass packs.





Until next time...


Chris
06-11-2016 12:22 PM
Big Dave You don't need to keep adding assembly lube-break in oil as it contains a lot of Lithium metal. Lithium won't hurt anything so far as I know, but it is a very reactive metal and causes cancer in lab animals. ZDDP oil supplements are a good thing if you have a flat tappet cam. I use it with my roller tappet engines because it also extends ring life and helps protect any metal on metal wear points in the motor (such as the timing chain or distributor gear).

Big Dave
06-11-2016 11:56 AM
jayhawk500
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Originally Posted by Lost in the 60's View Post
I don't remember if you said what oil you're using, if it has the zink in it or you use a ZDDP additive with the flat tappet cam ??
Currently its conventional oil with the Comp Cams break in oil. The oil change today will be the same.
In 500 miles it'll be the same again, but with the ZDDP additive from Lucas Oil.
06-11-2016 01:10 AM
Lost in the 60's I don't remember if you said what oil you're using, if it has the zink in it or you use a ZDDP additive with the flat tappet cam ??
06-11-2016 01:04 AM
Lost in the 60's Looks good, once again..

If you can't turn the dizzy far enough in one direction to get the timing, you can rotate the plug wires one tower around in that same direction and turn the dizzy back the other way to get the timing set. The wires won't be in the traditional location in regards to the point adjustment cover, but if that isn't a big deal this works...
06-11-2016 12:46 AM
jayhawk500
The S-I-L's 66 Caprice Engine Rebuild Update #7

IT'S ALIVE!!!!!


It's been 2 long days after work, but I got it running. I let it run for the 30 minutes necessary to break in the cam. Tomorrow I'll change the oil as recommended by Comp. Then I need to correct a few small things that happened during re-assemble. I bent the $40 fuel filter when I tightened up the flare nut on the fuel line, I re-installed the OEM temp sender which doesn't work and I need to retard the dizzy one tooth. Other than that...It sounds great. I'm going to have to adjust the valves while it's running to get rid of the small amount of ticking it still has.


At the end of yesterday.





Today...








06-09-2016 05:05 PM
Big Dave You are using the wrong year motor mounts if they are top wide you need the thin ones. Motor mounts were changed in 1968 due to a recall of defective motor mounts.


Big Dave
06-09-2016 04:14 PM
jayhawk500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost in the 60's View Post
What happened to the mounts that were in there when you thought it was done and ready to leave ..
The mounts were soooo wide when I went to torque down the nut it squished the sides in. This time I put washers on the inside of the mount to prevent that from happening again.
06-08-2016 07:49 PM
Lost in the 60's What happened to the mounts that were in there when you thought it was done and ready to leave ..
06-08-2016 04:22 PM
jayhawk500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost in the 60's View Post
Was wondering about the cam situation.

The frame stands appear quite tall and weren't designed to work with the safety lock mounts you now have. I'm thinking you can't get the thru bolt holes to line up ? The block dimensions between the 396 and 427 are identical, so any alignment issues lie with the stands.

I talked with my engine builder today about my LS5 and it should be done in the next few weeks...

The frame stands are the OEM stands. OEM motor, the only difference is the engine mount itself, and yes, the bolt holes don't line up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dave View Post
Or the motor mounts:


http://www.jegs.com/photos/355-earlystyle.jpg


There are two different mounts made covering 1958-68 and
from 1969-'72. Most parts stores think there was only one but they do not line up because there is a short and wide and a tall and skinny.

Big Dave


I got another set of mounts like I hade before. I know there's a gap issue, so I'm going to add washers to take up the slop so I can torque them down.
If that don't work then its on to energy suspension mounts.
06-08-2016 12:58 AM
Big Dave
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost in the 60's View Post
Was wondering about the cam situation.

The frame stands appear quite tall and weren't designed to work with the safety lock mounts you now have. I'm thinking you can't get the thru bolt holes to line up ? The block dimensions between the 396 and 427 are identical, so any alignment issues lie with the stands.

I talked with my engine builder today about my LS5 and it should be done in the next few weeks...

Or the motor mounts:


http://www.jegs.com/photos/355-earlystyle.jpg


There are two different mounts made covering 1958-68 and
from 1969-'72. Most parts stores think there was only one but they do not line up because there is a short and wide and a tall and skinny.

Big Dave
06-07-2016 10:13 PM
Lost in the 60's Was wondering about the cam situation.

The frame stands appear quite tall and weren't designed to work with the safety lock mounts you now have. I'm thinking you can't get the thru bolt holes to line up ? The block dimensions between the 396 and 427 are identical, so any alignment issues lie with the stands.

I talked with my engine builder today about my LS5 and it should be done in the next few weeks...
06-07-2016 09:55 PM
jayhawk500
The S-I-L's 66 Caprice Engine Rebuild Update #6

Well, after a solid month of waiting on Comp Cams...The engine is finally together and back in the car. But now I have a new problem, The motor mounts I got off eBay for an Impala 427 don't quite fit a Caprice with a 396. It's just one of those things that make you go, HUMMMMM?
Anyway I called NAPA and will have another mount set here tomorrow morning. The goal is to have the car running by the end of the weekend.





I'll post up the cam card on the next update.


Until next time....
05-22-2016 12:57 PM
jayhawk500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost in the 60's View Post
sorry to hear this, Chris.
Oh well, it'll be 3 weeks this Tuesday. What's another few days?........I'm also, going to make them put a return shipping label in the box at their expense. Their screw up, not mine.
05-22-2016 12:21 PM
Lost in the 60's
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayhawk500 View Post
So after my call last week to Comp Cams discovering that they were going to send me a solid lifter cam...I received the hydraulic lifter cam yesterday. But that was really short lived. Went to I opened the box, The first thing I looked for was the groove that was to be machined into the last bearing lobe.
Damn....No groove. .
sorry to hear this, Chris.
05-22-2016 12:08 PM
jayhawk500 So after my call last week to Comp Cams discovering that they were going to send me a solid lifter cam...I received the hydraulic lifter cam yesterday. But that was really short lived. Went to I opened the box, The first thing I looked for was the groove that was to be machined into the last bearing lobe.
Damn....No groove. Called Comp, already closed, damn. Now I have to wait till Monday. Going to ask to have another cam shipped out overnight. I needed to have this done before next weekend.


Until next time....
05-18-2016 11:55 AM
jayhawk500 I called Comp Cams again yesterday to check on the order. The guy told me it was in production. I asked what the difference was between the CL11-670-4 and the CL11-671-4 and he said the cam was a bit larger in duration.
So this morning I looked up the part number on their website. Problem is the CL11-671-4 is a solid lifter cam, Not what I wanted...So I called Comp Cams back and they were getting ready to ship the cam today, so now they'll be sending me the CL11-670-4 instead. The guy put a rush on getting the groove cut into the cam. Hopefully it'll ship this week.
05-17-2016 11:23 AM
jayhawk500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost in the 60's View Post
It's good to know the wear didn't happen on start up after removal. That happened over time and miles.

Now you can move forward without wondering "what if"...
True That! Now I just need the cam. I'm going to call Comp Cams now to see if they have even started on it. I called Summit last night, they have a bunch in stock. The only problem is I need to have the groove cut into the cam support.
05-16-2016 08:15 PM
Lost in the 60's It's good to know the wear didn't happen on start up after removal. That happened over time and miles.

Now you can move forward without wondering "what if"...
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