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05-29-2019 12:37 AM
BA. I was trying to recall just now if it was YouLoose or someone else that ended up noting they had a bent frame and were doing some DIY temp fixes on the suspension bits to make it tolerable to drive until the big fix?
05-28-2019 10:55 AM
Big Dave Welcome to the Team!

X-frame cars are desirable for their styling (thank you Harley J. Earl) but hated for their lack of a frame or a functional suspension. Bill Cosby joked about how comfortable it was to drive a GM X-frame car, spinning wildly down the road allowing you to watch the world go by sitting on a comfortable couch and viewing everything through a broad expanse of curved glass.

As this article explains there is no one person who can be put against a wall and shot for the design. But it was influenced much more by artists (body design), and marketers (ad-men from the Madison Avenue business schools) than engineering.

Automotive History: An X-Ray Look At GM?s X-Frame (1957 ? 1970)

Though the marketing people claimed the central spine as used on the old Elan from Lotus, and currently used on the C6 and C7 Corvette, is strong (it is if it is big enough to resist deflection under load) it was more important to make it smaller to lower the floor for more passenger comfort (which yields a flimsy easily bent out of shape foundation upon which the car is built on top of). It was designed to bend and roll under which is okay because when the car was designed the fastest you could drive in America was 45 mph (which is as fast as you can go with stock brakes).

A half century later, three generations after the original designers made their decisions you are comparing this rolling living room to the performance of a BMW or a Lexus. There is no comparison. So you will be disappointed.

The aftermarket that sells parts are marketers and salesmen. The parts they sell can kill you if you put the wrong part on your car (your survivors are welcome to sue the manufacture of the part in China). As a mechanical engineer I look at these parts and wonder if any one gave them any though at all in designing them. People who know nothing about Pascal's law, or Hook's Law, or front suspension design happily buy a part and put it on, and are surprised that it affects the handling designed by thousands of GM engineers who made it that way after evaluating thousands of other factors. (mostly costs as determined by the bean counters).

The 1958-'64 full size Chevy was designed to look great, but the earlier 1955 Chevy would run rings around it. The economy car (Chevy's original economy car) the 1960-'69 Corvair handled better than many English sports cars) so it isn't that Chevy didn't know how to make a car handle but the wrong people were driving the company's decision making during this period of time.

Big Dave
05-28-2019 04:12 AM
birelasj I am having the same issue, were you able to resolve this issue? thanks
12-08-2018 10:17 AM
Big Dave That is all you think you did; but it also affected your steering geometry. This could be by either moving the wheels out further from the axis of rotation, or the spindle isn't centered between the ball joints as it was before due to moving the spindle on the steering knuckle.

Big Dave
12-08-2018 09:18 AM
you loose I put 2 inch drops in the front end that's all I did
12-08-2018 09:15 AM
Big Dave Depends upon your caster setting.

Big Dave
12-08-2018 09:04 AM
you loose
front of car drops alot in full turn

64 impala drops a lot on front end when I turn the wheel full to one side ,is this common?

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