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'65 Cooling System - Considering My Options

229 views 17 replies 7 participants last post by  Jynx  
#1 ·
Hi all,

This October marks 2 years of owning my '65 Impala. Over time, I've learned that the previous owner(s) made some choices during restoration that moved it away from originality. For reference, my car is equipped with a 300-hp 327 (non-AC) as well as a Powerglide.

Here's what can be seen under my hood currently:
  • A non-original Harrison radiator
  • No radiator support/spacer
  • A non-original plastic fan shroud
  • The original 4-blade fan
With this setup, there is a considerable gap between the fan and the shroud (~1.5-2"). In terms of temperature, my engine will sit around 180°F under the right conditions, but:
  • At idle, the temp will reach 230 in just a few minutes
  • When maintaining low speeds (<20mph), the temp will quickly climb beyond 230, causing some hesitation/bogging upon acceleration
  • On the highway, the temp may reach 220+ when my foot is on the pedal for extended periods
Of course, these figures improve during the fall & winter months with the cooler air. But during the spring & summer, with outside temps often in the 70s and 80s, it's difficult for the car to stay cool. When I'm crawling around trying to find a space to park at local cruises, I often get dangerously close to boiling temps. The same happens whenever I encounter any kind of traffic on the road. My car only seems to be 'comfortable' when it can move between 30-50mph and when I'm not putting much 'demand' on the engine. Even when I'm running at a comfortable 180, the temp will rise to 220 in the short time it takes for me to pull into my garage. These temperatures are derived from an IR gun pointed at the thermostat housing + estimates from a reliable temp gauge.

My objective is to help my temp stay closer to 180. I've done some research on my car's original setup, and here are two options I am considering:

1. Original Factory Setup
  • Replace the Harrison radiator with an OE radiator for a SBC with AT & W/O AC
  • Procure and install the thicker radiator support spacer bracket (like this eBay)
  • This 'solution' would bring the radiator very close to the fan, and does not include a shroud (as it would have been out of the factory)
2. Modified Factory Setup
  • Replace the Harrison radiator with an OE radiator for a SBC with AT & With AC
  • Procure and install the narrower radiator support spacer bracket
  • Replace the plastic shroud with the larger metal OE shroud that came with AC SBCs
  • This 'solution' would replicate the cooling setup of an identical car with factory AC (heavier-duty cooling)
Would appreciate input on these options, or advice on a better path forward

Best,
Mike

Current Setup...What does this achieve/lack? Any ideas why the previous owner(s) chose these parts?
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#8 ·
If you are also having issues when driving, you may have more than just a fan problem. Problems while driving usually mean it's coolant flow issue. I battled this problem for almost a full year. You may want to pull your intake manifold and check for leaks. Antifreeze becomes corrosive over time, and can cause all sorts of leaks. My original manifold had to just be tossed because the antifreeze had caused several fairly large holes.

I'm not really sure why the previous owners though the original fan without the spacer would be OK, puzzling decision. I decided to go aluminum radiator + electric fans on mine (with a shroud). With the original, your fan speed is very much limited by the engine vs electric fans.
 
#9 ·
With the original, your fan speed is very much limited by the engine vs electric fans.
Maybe so, but the original set up was designed by GM to work plenty sufficiently enough. Plus with that real nice all original engine compartment, I'm betting Mike would be wanting to keep that all original look.

That said, stepping up to an original type, era correct Clutch Fan may be an option to move up to, if a little more cooling is desired.
 
#14 ·
IMO I would not run without a shroud, the shroud (and it being effectively used, which it is not right now) allows the entire radiator to pull cool air through the heat exchanging area, not just the diameter of the fan leaving "hot spots" at each corner and reducing your cooling capacity by a significant percentage. If you can get a deeper shroud or a spacer for the current fan (don't love the idea of a spacer, if I were to do that I'd definitely give it some thread locker so the bolts don't back out due to vibration) I'd give that a try first.

Below is a pic from my '61, you can see the shroud is probably twice as deep as yours. I understand X frame cars probably have different radiator dimensions but maybe there's a deeper shroud available for yours. The fan sits basically centered on the edge of the shroud with maybe 1/2" clearance all around it so it is very efficient at pulling the air through. I don't have one from the rear of the radiator but can grab one this evening if you think it would be beneficial.

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#15 · (Edited)
Well, '55 to '57 V-8's did not have a Shroud. The '58 to '64 V-8's did. Most '65-'66's didn't and '67 and up did have Shrouds. They were all designed by GM to work sufficiently. If someone has a modified car or modified engine, then opinions can differ, but if someone has an all original car and wants to keep it all original, there is absolutely nothing wrong with keeping it the way GM built it.

Although, I would add a 5 to 7 Blade Fan as has been mentioned above. Also, a factory Clutch Fan has at least 5 Blades and something that I would probably install along with a larger radiator, but just make sure everything clears just fine.
 
#16 · (Edited)
I don't mean to drag this on any more than it needs to.... but.... (lol)

Clearly you have several great paths forward to get to a desirable, functional, OEM-looking setup.
I can't stop re-visiting your description of the current overheating issue. I think there's an underlying problem still to be found & solved. I don't recall you mentioning if this is a recent overheating issue or if it's been there for the 2 years you've had it.
  • At idle, the temp will reach 230 in just a few minutes
  • When maintaining low speeds (<20mph), the temp will quickly climb beyond 230, causing some hesitation/bogging upon acceleration
  • On the highway, the temp may reach 220+ when my foot is on the pedal for extended periods
Have you drained some coolant and removed the cap to visually check out the inside of the radiator to see if there's significant crud build-up blocking water flow?
Is there a chance that the carburetor is running really lean, making for an overly hot combustion?
Both upper/lower radiator hoses not going 'soft' and collapsing?
Where is the temp-sensor located, on the intake or in the head?
Sounds like the gauge is probably reading correctly, but it's always nice to be sure. Do you have a cheap infra-red temperature gun to spot check things?
While unlikely, I have to say "hopefully" someone didn't install one of those early 90's LT1 reverse-flow water pumps. :)
 
#17 ·
I agree. But since he has a serious Fan-to-Radiator issue, I would be starting there and then see how it goes. Good info though, if he has continued issues.

Mike, did you ever expect this much attention? Lol.